Lessons of Hate from the City of Brotherly Love

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In the past 48 hours, there have been lots of news stories about how Minnesota Vikings fans are outraged, appalled, and somehow even surprised by the conduct of many Philadelphia Eagles fans. This ranges from mere hostility while walking through tailgating to the gates, to complaints about being assaulted with batteries and objects. Other complaints include Eagles fans stealing Vikings fans’ hats and throwing them away, or urinating on them, as well as actually being urinated on in the restroom.

Some on Twitter and elsewhere are even decrying two Eagles fans who had a “Fuck Millie” banner, which spawned a #fuckmillie “trend” on Twitter with maybe 40 people following suit. This gesture by a few outliers is unconvincingly used as justification as to why the Patriots need to win the Super Bowl.

Most crucially however, Vikings fans also denounced Eagles fans for cheering when center Pat Elflein went down. Never mind that Vikings fans cheered when Aaron Rodgers was confirmed to be injured and taken off the field on a cart.

Beyond abject hypocrisy — and that is fair to say because there was never a sweeping denunciation of people cheering Rodgers’ injury by large numbers of Vikings fans — Vikings fans also acted poorly.

Although not intimidating or threatening, assembling a cadre of Vikings fans to do that stupid, clap along, sing along “Skol” bit on the steps of the Philadelphia Museum of Art crosses boundaries.

And as inane and tacky as their Rocky Balboa statue is, Philadelphians seem to take it almost as serious as we take the famous Lombardi and Lambeau statues in front of 1265. And these Vikings fans went ahead and wrapped the statute up in purple and gold.

As with all things ostensibly concerning other teams, the most important thing is what this can teach Packers fans; what does this reveal about ourselves, what insight can it offer us as we seek to learn and improve how we do things?

After all, it is the Green Bay Packers and their fans who count the most.

Because the Vikings were favored, and because no one foresaw the sort of blowout that actually transpired, it is undeniable that the Eagles have a most formidable home-field advantage, particularly in the playoffs. Energy and enthusiasm from the fans is the cornerstone of this and any other home field advantage. In Philadelphia, outright hostility, which sometimes even becomes various forms of assault and other criminal activity, is a part of that Philadelphia Eagle fandom.

Compare and contrast that with Lambeau Field, which is known for many positive things, but many negative things as well, including things that some stubbornly regard as positive. Lambeau is known as an older, less energetic crowd. People actually complain when others stand up. Of late, the crowd noise does not presently compare with that of Arrowhead Stadium (Lincoln Financial Field in Seattle should be discounted, as it is loud because Paul Allen’s architects made it loud). Packers fans are known to glad hand opposing fans—even Vikings and Seahawks fans.

These tendencies, coupled with the fact that so many season ticket holders just buy tickets for the enterprising purpose of markup and resale on the secondary market, are big reasons why Lambeau has a problem with too many opposing fans, especially in playoff games (both times with the Giants and Cowboys in the divisional round in 2014). The Packers front office could and should amend the licensing agreement to help ensure more tickets stay in the hands of Packers fans.

But it is also the case that Packers fans, at least those of the glad hand, would-be game show host variety, are too far on the other side of the spectrum. This is not to suggest — in any way — an even tacit or implicit endorsement of throwing D batteries at opposing fans, although this author can certainly understand the temptation in regard to Vikings and Seahawks fans.

However, Packers fans should boo, jeer, and do other things that create an intimidating, hostile milieu for visiting fans of rivals to let them know they are not welcome and they are not liked! Menacing taunts, jeers and expletives are at about the right line.

No, Vikings fans should not be assaulted, absent real fighting words or physical contact they initiate. But it is high time that Packers fans and Lambeau Field stop being so welcoming to people who want to see the Packers lose.

Just as Eagles and other fan fanbases need to learn, after so many decades, to act under the minimal constraints of civility, Packers fans need to learn to get a little mean, show some teeth, and stop welcoming the enemy in our own house. When someone is wearing enemy colors, they need to be made to feel unwelcome and a little uneasy.

About The Author

Just a Packers fan and native Seattleite left stranded in New York City, and apparently suffering from post traumatic stress disorder from the near disaster in New Orleans in January of 2010. Bleeds Green and Gold through and through. Listens to indie and hardcore industrial and aggrotech music, and thus would much rather hear Headhunter by Front 242 or Front Line Assembly's "Mindphaser" than "Celebrate" or "I Gotta Feeling" in the fourth quarter, or any time.

21 Comments on "Lessons of Hate from the City of Brotherly Love"

  1. rebelgb

    I dont go to fucking Packer games anymore. Forget the cost which sucks, if i want to really go i suck it up; the fans suck now. Like you mention in the article, after the last game I went to, I swore if one more old fuck couple sitting behind me tells me to “sit down” when im screaming for our defense to make a stop on 4th and 1, im gonna smack someone. 2 games ago I actually turned around to a couple and yelled “why dont you sell your fucking tickets to your grand kids already!” Now I just dont go. The fan noise at home games now is a joke.

  2. Cheese

    How about instead of turning Packer fans into a bunch of assholes, which won’t help win anything, maybe the front office and coaching staff can get their shit together and stop pissing away Aaron Rodgers prime years. If they haven’t done so already. How many Super Bowls do the Eagles have from their fans being intolerable scumbags?

      • PF4L

        Do you deny you obsessed over the queens success and impending NFCCG and SB victorys like a bat shit crazy lunatic who desperately needs therapy?

        While the rest of us calmly waited for the impending failure that we have grown to expect from the queens and their fans.

        • Ferris

          So true. Some of these Packer fans do need therapy. Check your mailbox after every win or loss…there is no check when they win and no refund when they lose. Don’t get so invested.

      • Cheese

        I didn’t watch the game because I could care less about either team. Obviously the Eagles had some sort of advantage being that they scored 38 unanswered points, but I would think that has more to do with the actual football team being prepared than their fans throwing beer bottles at strangers and getting arrested for punching police horses. Or maybe you could say the advantage came from Minnesota being unprepared. I wonder how Saints fans feel after last Sunday knowing their team would have had a much better shot at winning. I know why the Vikings needed a “miracle” to get to the NFCCG, because clearly they didn’t belong there. The Eagles haven’t been relevant since they had Donovan McNabb. Should we credit their nasty fans for that too?

        I don’t have a problem with fans making noise and cheering their team, as long as they’re not obnoxious drunks. The Chargers had to call a time out in San Diego a few years ago because Packer fans were chanting Go Pack Go so loud. Is it the fans fault Green Bay got shut out at home twice this year? Is it the fans fault GB lost to the Lions at Lambeau for the first time in 23 years, and are now getting swept by Detroit? Is it the fans fault GB lost to the Cutler led Bears when both Brett Favre and Bart Starr were in attendence? Give cheeseheads something to cheer about and they will. Yes, home field advantage at Lambeau is not what it used to be, but I would put that on Mike McCarthy instead of the people in the stands.

        • E. Wolf

          All fair points that no one would dispute, but many of these points are tangential to this discussion. Yes the Eagles are good, but it would have been much closer on neutral ground, and much more difficult in Minnesota. Your objections notwithstanding, Packers fans, or many Packers fans, overdo the Mr Nice Guy schtick. I am tired of seeing so many Vikings Cowboys, other opposing fans at Lambeau. And until Packers quit it with this Howdy-Do routine and the front office amends the licensing agreement, it will be more of the same.

  3. MMK

    There’s simply going to be cultural differences between the way people in a small town in Wisconsin and people on the East coast treat guests. It makes for a better time all around, but yeah I could do without opposing teams and fans feeling like they had the run of the place. The Colts game last year I felt like Indianapolis fans in our section had their run of the place. Vikings fans can fuck on off though, there was a time where going to the metrodome could be pretty hostile.

    The mystique and the “intimidation” factor has been long absent. I think a big part of that is the aging demographic of season ticket holders, possibly in conjunction with a bandwagon element following a few years of success, of people just out to have a good time (nothing wrong with that). But I think an underrated aspect of this is that the defense has been so horrible that there really hasn’t BEEN a lot of opportunities to ramp up any intensity. Get the defense back to crushing opposing offenses and you won’t see fans waiting quietly for Rodgers to get back on the field as other teams casually march up the field.

    • PF4L

      I get it. But how about, and this is coming from way out in left field, how about if our defense was intimidating? Other teams players treat our players like little bitches, because they know our players won’t do anything but look for a flag.

      Just a thought.

      • Cheese

        I just watched some highlights from the 2010 defense and all I could think of was “man, our current secondary is a bunch of pussies.”

  4. Mitch Anthony

    Well the Minnesota fan base can take comfort in this. If Philly fans can afford a trip to the big show, they get to stay in the Twin Cities. They get to have their room serviced by Minnesota people and have their food prepared and served to them by Minnesota people. Enjoy! Unless they have the good sense to stay in Hudson, WI and get a ride in to the game.

    All the people I know who have Packer season tickets, some who I have purchased tickets from, are all older folks. They almost all want to know who is going with me when I buy their tickets and and that we will behave. They do not want anyone to jeopardize getting their tickets revoked for someone else’s behaviors. That might be why some folks just don’t even risk getting out of line.

    There is the Wisconsin nice thing too. I don’t want to be anything like some of the folks I’ve met from out east but I agree that it is almost becoming too nice of an away venue for visiting teams.

  5. Tom Brown

    Stay classy Packer fans, the boorish behavior by Eagle fans has resulted in no Super Bowl wins and their last championship was in 1960.

    • E. Wolf

      Spurious reasoning indeed to suggest bad fan conduct has anything to do with not winning a Super Bowl, not unlike Lisa Simpson’s tiger repelling rock:
      https://youtu.be/fm2W0sq9ddU

      Again, not suggesting Packers fans act quite like this, but there does need to be a balance.

  6. Cagey

    I hate vikings fans with every fiber of my being. In order to see a Packer game while I was home on leave from iraq in 2009, I bought tickets to see them play at the humpty dump. To make a long story short, two minnesota scumbags cornered me in the smoking area and were getting ready to pound (more accurately… they were getting ready to lose some teeth) on me and more than likely my wife as well. As I stood my ground and prepared to defend myself, a couple of piece of shit “security officers” came over and tossed my wife and me out of the game for getting harassed by these inbred assholes. minnesota people in general, and vikings fans in particular, are nothing but a bunch of worthless, bottom feeding, mouth breathing, oxygen thieves. I hate them all with a passion and would have a hearty laugh watching any of them get brained by a D battery.

  7. PF4L

    I’d be embarrassed as a Packer fan if that happened in Green Bay. But…….if a visiting teams fan(s) becomes obnoxious and a nuisance at Lambeau, then all bets are off. I told a story awhile back, about a game i was at, so i’ll just gloss over it. A 1/2 drunk bear fan was being a dick, and harassing an old man, after given a verbal recommendation to knock his shit off, the belligerent bear fan didn’t think it was a good idea to follow that advise. Instead he elected to puff out his chest, and give a shove. The situation was resolved approximately 5 seconds later.

    So basically…let people spend their money and enjoy the game unless circumstances dictate otherwise.

  8. PF4L

    The lonely boy likes to whine and repeatedly remind us on how Packer fans are classless and show bad sportsmanship. Then tells us how classy queen fans are. Lets put an end to the diarrhea that spews out of his mouth. Here’s how classy queen fans are that the lonely boy speaks of.

    Kyle Scott
    @CrossingBroad
    Vikings Fans Are Organizing an Event To Throw Stuff at Eagles Fans https://www.crossingbroad.com/2018/01/vikings-fans-are-organizing-an-event-to-throw-stuff-at-eagles-fans.html

    2:09 PM – Jan 22, 2018

    Vikings Fans Are Organizing an Event To Throw Stuff at Eagles Fans
    Vikings fans, presumably fresh off a lake fishing excursion, with nothing better to do today after their team got skollfucked by the Eagles, have organized a Facebook event to “toss stuff at …

    crossingbroad.com
    35 35 Replies 32 32 Retweets 76 76 likes

    Not enough? Try this…..

    How the fuck does a piece of shit team and city like Philadelphia get to go to the super bowl????? The fans better realize the super bowl is in Minnesota and there will be plenty of people waiting around the corner for their punk ass!!!!!

    — Vikings News Rumors (@VikingsSource) January 22, 2018

    And here’s video of a Vikings fan spitting on an Eagles fan at the game on Sunday.

    Tell us more about how classy queen fans are lonely boy.

    • Shit lonely boy is probably the author of one of those posts. He is a chameleon. Depending on what site he comments he will change his colors. You can guarantee he comments on other sports and/or political sites. He needs the attention from many more than this site can offer.

      • PF4L

        Yea Howard, i think you’re right. I could imagine him posting on like 20 different blogs, probably with about 80 different user names.

        One (outlaw) website is just perfect for my taste, i wouldn’t waste my time otherwise. If i can’t tell someone to go f themselves, why bother?

        : – )

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