Aaron Rodgers, The Great QB Debate And Why It’s A Bunch Of BS

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Aaron Rodgers

Another NFL season is behind us and Patriots quarterback Tom Brady became only the second player in NFL history (Charles Haley is the other) to win five Super Bowls. Brady won his fifth by leading the Patriots on the biggest comeback in the storied history of the championship game. Brady also collected his fourth Super Bowl MVP award, giving him the most in history. Even with all of that, however, Brady is not the greatest of all time, as some would argue. The greatest to ever strap up the chin strap steps under center for the most storied franchise in NFL history, the Green Bay Packers. Yes, Aaron Rodgers is the best to ever play the position and it isn’t even close.

Greatness is often measured by statistics and Rodgers certainly has those. Yes, there are plenty of quarterbacks who have more than one Super Bowl win and one Super Bowl MVP. There are also quarterbacks who have more league MVPs than the two that Rodgers has (Brady has four) and more Pro Bowl appearances than Rodgers’ six (Brady has 12). Rodgers, however, does have some records that are all his. They include career passer rating (104.1), highest passer rating in a season (122.5 in 2011) and best touchdown-to-interception ratio (4.13). So, who else is on those lists you might ask? It doesn’t matter. Rodgers is at the top, exactly where he belongs. While we are on numbers, Rodgers has also rushed for more than 2,500 yards and scored 25 rushing touchdowns in his career. Brady, 940 yards and 17 touchdowns. Hey, I could dive over from the one-yard line.

When talking about the greatest of all time, however, you have to go further than statistics and when you do, there simply isn’t anyone who compares to what Rodgers has done on the field. Start by looking at 10 of the best throws he’s made during his career. When reviewing the list, pay attention to two things. First, there are MULTIPLE Hail Marys on here. You have quarterbacks who play their entire careers without hitting one. Second, one of the best throws anyone has seen in a while, Rodgers’ dart to Jared Cook in the divisional round win over the Cowboys, is number six! In other words, he’s got five throws that are even better. If you go by strictly statistics, than Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback ever, since he retired with the most career passing yards and touchdowns. How many people would take Manning over Brady?

I thought so. Statistics doesn’t paint the entire picture.

Now we get to the reason Rodgers can even make those throws — because he is the NFL’s version of Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky. In other words, he is capable of doing things that others simply are not. I mean, after a 42-24 loss to the Redskins, the Packers were 4-6 and left for dead. Rodgers then went all Babe Ruth and called his shot, saying he thought the Packers could run the table and make the playoffs. If there is someone else who has ever done this and then turned in the kind of numbers Rodgers did over that eight-game stretch (the six they won to run the table and the first two playoff games) please point him out. Projected out to a 16-game season, Rodgers would’ve finished with a rating of 118.0, better than three of the best individual seasons (by some guys named Brady, Brees and Manning) we’ve seen in this era.

Brady has never guaranteed anything. Not to mention the fact that Rodgers is at his best when the pressure is on and the pocket is collapsing. Brady is usually on his back at that point or picking himself up off the turf wondering why there isn’t a flag or screaming at one of his teammates.

Three final things to consider. One, all of the ESPN Football Insiders say Rodgers is the best player on the planet, period. Two, Rodgers finished sixth on the top 101 NFL players list for 2016. This is a guy who, along with his team, was left for dead and somehow still finished sixth! Three, and this is the most telling, former Browns quarterback Josh McCown (granted, not exactly an expert on the subject) compared Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo to Rodgers. Hello! He didn’t compare him to the guy Garoppolo has been backing up these last few years. He compared him to Rodgers. Why? Because Rodgers is the greatest, end of story.

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62 Comments on "Aaron Rodgers, The Great QB Debate And Why It’s A Bunch Of BS"

  1. ay hombre

    When did PFail start writing articles. Sluuuurp. Sluuuuurp.

    Until he wins another SB he’s not in the conversation. Bart Starr said it best. It’s all about who can play their best when the moment is the greatest. Rodgers had one good run, but other than that he has not delivered in the biggest moments.

    • PF4L

      Because the real smart football fans, the real deep thinkers, real intelligence, judge’s a QB on total Super Bowl victory’s.

      If Rodgers was really good, we would have beat Seattle, we would have beat Atlanta. so as Hombre so precisely detailed with his usual mind blowing reasoning, it’s Rodgers fault.

      All his other accomplishments?….meh…..he just gets lucky.

      Keep posting Hombre, so us less fortunate can learn from your wisdom.

  2. PF4L

    totalpackers somehow found a sports writer!!!!!!….

    Although i’m not ready to crown Rodgers King of all…..he is definitely in the conversation.

    The thing Rodgers has, that others don’t, is Rodgers total game. as in totality, big picture, in total.

    Although i could take what Rodney wrote, and expand on it for hours. The simple truth is Rodgers has no weak area’s of his game.

    When Tom Brady himself, goes out of his way, to complement Rodgers on his skills in playing, throwing ability, mobility, skills that self admittedly Brady can’t match. That alone says volumes of Rodgers skills.

    Among football knowledgeable people in the NFL. Most profess Rodgers to have the best QB’ing skills in all of football history. Of course, you’ll have a few blog “experts” here at totalpackers who feel Rodgers should revamp and improve his game….. .. but we enjoy free speech, thankfully for these few it’s not a crime in America to be stupid or retarded..

    • Aaron Rodgers isn’t a leader. He doesn’t win early enough to be considered the greatest ever. He has choked in the playoffs on countless occasions. Brady has never been beaten in a playoff game 44-21. In fact, he carried on of the worst defenses in the league in 2011 to a Super Bowl. Rodgers can’t do that because he isn’t the GOAT. Rodgers has more talent, but that doesn’t mean he is the best. He is a head case and he will continue to lose.

      • PF4L

        Yep….Can anyone believe that Rodgers gave up 44 points against Atlanta? Obviously Rodgers isn’t a leader, a QB who is a leader wouldn’t have given up that many points to an offense.

        Never stop thinking David.

        • The Patriots and Tom Brady scored 34 against the Falcons defense. The Packers and Rodgers scored 21. Nearly a two TD difference, but I’m sure you don’t care because you don’t actually make any reasonable arguments. Rodgers chokes. That’s what he does. Brady wins. That’s what he does. You can stop arguing right now and save yourself from looking like even korenofnan ass or you can keep going. People here in New England think you are hilarious and pathetic at the same time. Just sad.

          • Tucson Packer

            Hey, you asked “What we do” now that football is over, and a few of us answered you. Why didn’t you answer back? Is it that all really you come here to do is try and and get a rise out of of an obviously superior and statistically better Conference opponent”s fan base? Get a hobby, Davy

          • PF4L

            Ok David….I won’t say it isn’t just Brady, Rodgers, or Ryan on the field. I won’t say that there are a lot of other players on each team and coaches on the sideline that effect the outcome of a game.

            I won’t say that because i have no ability to make reasonable arguments (like you).

            I won’t say it because i need to save myself from “looking like even korenofnan ass”.

            Thank you for the advice David, i should know better than to debate you sir. You are far too intelligent.

  3. MJ

    Rodgers is the most talented, not the most effective one. When your team needs him to score, the pressure crushes Rodgers. As for Brady? He plays better.

  4. PF4L

    Do you mean, like when the pressure crushed him at the end of the Cowboy game?

    Interesting….and it didn’t hurt that the Patriots had the #1 scoring defense, and didn’t give up 44 points to the Falcons, did it?

    It takes a player to have talent, it takes a team to be effective.

    • MJ

      Yeah, he could have scored some points, keep the ball in our possession, so as to prevent our terrible defense to be even more terrible due to exhaustion. How many did he score? You understand that after every Falcons’ TD we get the ball kicked off to us, for our offense to… do the same? How many times did Brady score against the very same ATL defense, and with less talented receivers? I would really like Rodgers being the best in everything, but he is not. He is the most talented, as I stated (very good at: accuracy, arm strength, ability to throw on the move, ability to run it himself at times, skills at reading the defense). He gets frustrated if the rest of the team (this time around, the defense) plays like crap. And 99% of the people would be frustrated, so he is not superhuman on that one.

  5. Kato

    Good write-up, and there are always great debates about who the greatest QB of all-time is. First, I would say the fact Joe Montana wasn’t mentioned was probably a mistake. Peyton Manning probably should have more than a mere mention. Here is my thoughts, although I am sure PF4L will freak out and call me the “r” word. I believe Aaron Rodgers is the most physically gifted QB the NFL has seen to date. Before him, it was maybe Steve Young or Fran Tarkenton. His athleticism was grossly underrated coming out of Cal, MM admitted as such he underrated that aspect. He also had great arm talent that was developed into something special with NFL level coaching. He can throw from different platforms, going left and right, and the aforementioned throw to Cook was nothing short of amazing. If you look at a highlight reel of Rodgers best throws, they are going to be a lot flashier than those of other quarterbacks. The packers offense has been engineered to take advantage of his athleticism, with moving pocket plays, route options, and the receivers being different spots on the field when Rodgers breaks containment according to the specific coverage they are facing. Rodgers also is arguably the best at taking advantage of free plays when too many men are on the field for the defense, or an offsides penalty. All of these things are flashy, but……

    Brady simply wins. Does it have to do with the talent around him, or coaching? Sure. That does play a role. MM is one of the better coaches in the game, and is a top offensive mind, but I wouldn’t dare compare him to Belichek or Walsh. Or Parcells for that matter. But here is the thing. Despite the defense’s failings in 2011, 2012, 2016, the packers have had a shot to win at least one more playoff game those other years. The 2015 team probably would not have won the super bowl, but let’s not forget the game against Arizona where they lost in OT on a busted coverage. Before Rodgers heroics in the final minute, he had 160 yards passing while completing 50% of his throws and the offense had 13 points. The defense gave up 20 to the high-powered cardinals offense to that point. That should be good enough to win. The packers offense had two drives into the red zone in the first half, both of which resulted in field goals. How about the 2014 team that certainly had the talent to win the super bowl? The defense smothered the Seahawks for 55 minutes while forcing 5 turnovers and zero offensive points until the fourth quarter. The running game supplied 120 rushing yards. That game could have been way over before there was even a chance for the Seahawks to come back. Rodgers did not do his part. I think it is very realistic the packers could have beaten the patriots in the super bowl. In 2013 the defense struggled in the regular season while the offense actually played well despite not having Rodgers. In the playoffs they stepped up though, but the offense didn’t come through for them. Rodgers had a sub 200 yard day with a TD and no turnovers. Not a terrible game, but certainly one that he could have played better. Let’s not forget about his play in the 2010 NFC championship.

    The point is, that when it matters most, Rodgers doesn’t always step up to the plate, and there has been one opportunity where he could have made more of a difference and they could have two trophies in 6 years. 2015 was possible, but not really a certain thing. While the organization has failed him in some aspects, some of the onus does fall on Rodgers shoulders. Rodgers is a highlight throw machine, but Brady has simply stepped up to the plate and delivered better when it counts. It is what it is. Brady simply goes out, and does whatever it takes to win a football game, if that means handing it off 35 times or going out, throwing from the pocket and hitting high percentage throws. There is still plenty of time for Aaron (and the packers front office) to make something happen.

      • PF4L

        Yep…It’s just the QB. Brady just wins……

        If Brady, with his great mobility, was playing behind the offensive line of the Packers from 2011-15. He’d probably have a lot more rings amirite?

        Because…Brady simply wins…… and does whatever it takes.

        Except of course for the 9 years in a row, he didn’t.

        • Cody

          Are you really trying to win an argument by saying Brady had 9 years of absence of winning a Super Bowl? B/c Brady has won 2 of the last 3 and 5 in his career and made it to 7. That is a pretty horrible argument.

    • Kato

      35 rushing attempts recently? No. Maybe a few regular season games. The 2014 AFC championship. But when he won his first three, fuck yeah they ran the ball a ton. I remember those teams with Antowain Smith, Kevin Faulk, and Corey Dillon. They easily ran close to 30 times a game. What I meant by that statement is that Brady will do whatever it takes and will take short throws, and go through his progressions. Aaron doesn’t always do that. Some of that is undoubtedly from having a shit offensive line early in his career.

  6. This is utter stupidity. Tom Brady is the most clutch player in the history of the NFL and maybe all of sports. He has 5 SB’s. 4 SB MVP’s. The greatest comeback arguably in the history of sports. The greatest 4th quarter performance in SB history (2014). He was on only the second team ever to have an undefeated regular season. He has played in 7 SB’s. He owns just about every postseason record that there is to own. You want to talk about stats? How about 28-2 TD to INT ratio in a season? Or the fact that he threw 50 TD’s in a single season and threw for over 5,200 yards in a single season (both career highs higher than Rodgers if I may add). No QB has more career wins than Tom. It’s articles like these that make me think you guys don’t really watch football. Take the bias out of this argument and it ain’t even close. Rodgers isn’t on the same planet as Tom Brady. End of story.

    • PF4L

      I think Dave deserves some slack here. He is understandably happy his favorite team won the Super Bowl.

      Wait…..ok, check that, one of his favorite teams. I forgot, that when Dave’s Lions team loses, he then picks a new team to be a fan of. this my friends, increases the chances of one “his” teams, winning the Super Bowl.

      I guess he isn’t the 1st bandwagon fan. I’m sure back in 2010 he was “Dave the Packers fan.”

      2015 season he was “Dave the Bronco’s fan.”

      Rock on David!!

      • You really don’t understand this, do you. Instead of coming at me, I found it funny that you have nothing to say about the actual stats or argument that I raise. That’s because you have nothing to say. Do you even watch other teams play, or is it strictly Packer games for you? Such an idiot.

        • PF4L

          So, who’s asking? Is this Dave the Lions fan. or Dave the Patriots fan?

          Can you please make different accounts to cover all the teams that you are a fan of?

          Thank you for understanding.

          • You really are an asshole. I’m starting to doubt if you are even a real person or just a robot to troll people on this site. You know something, some people (including myself) answered the question what we do after football season. You never did. That’s because you probably do exactly what I said. Rewatch highlights of the Packers and watch your other sports teams get fucked. You probably have no family or friends for that matter. You aren’t even capable of having a legitimate argument. You can’t bring yourself to be even the slightest bit less of an asshole. Congrats, PF4L. You truly will be the biggest fuckwad I’ll ever speak to.

          • Kato

            Dave, it is useless argue with PF4L. He loses and argument and tries to follow up with insults.

          • PF4L

            I think Dave deserves some slack here. He is understandably happy his favorite team won the Super Bowl.

            Wait…..ok, check that, one of his favorite teams. I forgot, that when Dave’s Lions team loses, he then picks a new team to be a fan of. this my friends, increases the chances of one “his” teams, winning the Super Bowl.

            I guess he isn’t the 1st bandwagon fan. I’m sure back in 2010 he was “Dave the Packers fan.”

            2015 season he was “Dave the Bronco’s fan.”

            Rock on David!!

  7. Cody

    Lol who is writing this article? Oliva Munn? You want to talk about statistics? Why aren’t wins part of statistics? Tom Brady has 9 more playoff wins than ANYONE else in history. 2nd place is 16, Tom has 25! Here is a stat that should shed some light on Aaron Rodgers. He is tied for 111th all time for 4th quarter comebacks with 10. 10. Aaron Rodgers is not clutch, and he does not play well from behind. The fact that 2 Hail Mary’s are considered 2 of his best throws and 2 of his best comebacks only prove my point. Tom Brady has 39 4th quarter comebacks and it never took a hail mary to do it. He was able to lead his team down 39 times to either get a field goal or a td. Aaron had to resort to a prayer or Hail Mary. He had to resort to luck. Every QB in the league, as stated above. has thrown Hail Marys and its true what the writers said. Most don’t complete even 1. But what separates the completion? The vast majority of hail mary throws land in the end zone and so the throws are adequate….it has nothing to do with the throws, its the defense and the receiver. How well do each of them play the ball as it comes down, or read it as its coming down. Tom Brady is the winningest QB of all time, regular season and playoffs. He has the highest winning percentage of all time and so no one has LESS opportunities to comeback in the 4th quarter and yet he does. Aaron certainly has had many many many opportunities to come back in the 4th quarter. It’s not like the packers are winning 15 games a year. He has had ample opportunities to lead comebacks, but he doesn’t. He is the best QB in the league while playing with a lead, however he is very average at best when playing from behind. Here is a list of guys who are currently playing and who have started for a less amount of time and played for worse teams and still do not have the comebacks that Rodgers does: Mark Sanchez, Matt Schaub….lol Matt Schaub, dude started like 4 years, Ryan Tanehill, Cam Newton, Derek Carr! He’s been playing for 3 years! Andy Dalton, Andrew Luck, Russel Wilson, Alex Smith…yup ALEX SMITH, JAY CUTLER lol, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford had 8 this year alone…etc. I think you see my point. Aaron is the GREATEST with a lead and ..maybe even BELOW average when playing from behind.

      • PF4L

        I love people that say Rodgers isn’t clutch because he doesn’t have many 4th quarter comebacks.

        Oblivious to the fact Rodgers doesn’t have many games where they are behind in the 4th quarter.

        Think about it.

        • Cody

          
Tom is 11 and 20 for a .355 winning percentage when his defense gives up 28 or more points in a game, which is good enough to lead ALL current NFL starters and I don’t know where that ranks ALL-TIME.

          However I do know Aaron’s record is 5 and 19 for a .208 winning percentage. Good enough for the middle of the league.

          Next: Tom Brady has a 46 and 40 record when his defense gives up more than 22 points in the regular season. The ONLY QB starting in the NFL today that has a winning record under those circumstances. 

Aaron’s? 21 and 25.

          Winning percentage in those situations? Tom – .534 Aaron -.456

          Record when their D gives up 21 points or less in the regular season:

          Tom is 126 and 11 with a .920 winning percentage, good enough for BEST ALL-TIME.

          Aaron? 59 and 14 .808 good enough for not even being in the top 10 for QB’s playing RIGHT NOW.

          Last one: Their PLAYOFF record when their Defense gives up 22 points or more:

          Tom is 7 and 6 in those situations and the only QB with more than 1 playoff start that has a winning record. Jay Cutler is 1 and 0. 538 winning percentage

          How about our buddy, the greatest athlete to be born, Aaron Rodgers? Aaron when his defense gives ups 22 points or more in a playoff game is 2 and 7.

          Winning percentages? Tom- .548, Aaron – .222

          As you can see whether the defense plays well or gives up a ton of points or whether its a playoff game or a regular season game Tom Brady has a higher winning percentage than Aaron in EVERY one of those situations. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. This obliterates the argument than if Aaron had Tom’s Defense than he would have just as many if not more rings. It obliterates if anyone had Tom’s situation they would be better than him b/c all current starters were tested in those same situations and Tom came out with the HIGHEST winning percentage in ALL of them. You can’t explain that with Tom has better defense or even that Tom has a better offense. The guy just won the Super Bowl with GRONK on the sideline and a bunch of players no one else even wanted. He did while the Patriots traded away arguable their 2 best defensive players from last year in Chandler Jones, and Jamie Collins. And he has won under similar circumstances for the LARGE majority of his career.

          • Cody

            PF4L

            How does what Brady said about Rodgers combat anything I said? How does it disprove all of the numbers I just posted? All of the winning percentages and the situations Brady excels at better than Aaron? How does saying “And Tom recently said what of Rodgers” defeat FACTS and numbers and a higher winning percentage in EVERY situation regardless of what his defense does for him? All your statement is saying it that Tom respects Aaron. Tom never ever said Aaron was better than him. Did he acknowledge that Aaron had more physical gifts than him? Absolutely. I acknowledge that. Aaron definitely is one of the most physically gifted QBs in the league. But that doesn’t mean he is better. The mental game for a QB is more important than the physical game. And Aaron has a great mental game, he’s very smart, he reads defenses well. However, Aaron is a poor leader. Not just demonstrated in his absolutely arrogant selfish attitude toward his family, but as spoken by several former teammates of his. No former teammates have anything but great things to say about Tom and his leadership and him as a teammate. Brady has the respect not just on the football field but off the football field from all of his teammates. He is a better leader. He is also WAAAY more clutch. He makes winning plays when they matter the most. Aaron does not. Aaron consistently loses when he falls behind in a game. Tom consistently wins more than anyone in every situation. Whether he falls behind or his defense gives up a ton of points, he finds a way to win at a higher rate than any other QB in history. So yes Aaron is more physically gifted and he his very smart but intangibles…leadership, POISE, knowing how to make winning plays, CLUTCH factor. Tom has it all. He is the ultimate competitor. He himself said the ONLY thing he enjoys more than preparing for football is football itself. He is so competitive and loves the game so much that his entire life is constructed to help him play longer and at the highest level. He is the most committed player in the league. He also gets paid as a middle of the road QB so his front office can build around him. He’s unselfish, unlike Aaron. He never takes credit always takes blame. Again unlike Aaron. Aaron isn’t clutch. A hail mary is not a clutch play, its actually a lucky play. It isn’t clutch to get your team to the 50 yard line in a game winning situation. It’s clutch to get your team down the field to kick a field goal or a TD. A hail mary is the last resort when you fail to do the one of the other two. Also notice Aaron doesn’t give credit to other QBs. Tom when named the number 1 player in the top 100 said Peyton should be number 1 in his video. Tom gives respect, Aaron does not. Watch Aaron when he falls behind in a game. He presses too much, he becomes inaccurate he tries to do too much too fast, he gets uncomfortable and starts forcing passes and throwing INT’s. Look at the Atlanta game this year in the first half, he got behind early and than played nothing like he had the previous 9 weeks when he was unstoppable. Look at the Seattle game 3 years ago. He has a double digit lead and his defense forced 5 turnovers, he fails to score a TD from the 1 yard line TWICE to enhance the lead and fails to score in the 4th quarter until they fall behind. Aaron was one of the biggest reasons they lost that game. B/c Aaron had 2 and a half quarters to build on a double digit lead and failed to do so while his defense forced 5 turnovers. What happened 2 weeks later? Tom’s defense forced 0 turnovers and Tom beat that same team. He went 13 for 15 in the 4th quarter for 2 Tds against one of the best defenses of all time. What did Aaron do in the most important Quarter of his season that year? He helped his team kick a field goal after he gave up a double digit lead he had for almost the entire game. He isn’t clutch. Tom is clutch, he is a leader, he has outstanding poise, and he just flat out knows how to win.

          • Cody

            this just in PF4L…I retract my previous statement about Rodgers not every giving credo to other great QB’s. You want to cite what Tom said about Rodgers as proof that Rodgers is better…than I’ll cite not only the facts and winning percentages of almost every scenario but also Rodgers himself recently on Tom Brady. Enjoy.

            “From a fan’s perspective, what a great game to watch and to see Tom in his greatness on display one more time,” Rodgers said. “I mean, he didn’t need to win that to prove that he’s the G.O.A.T., but just another part of his legacy there.”

            lol…And Rodgers recently said what of Tom?

            Ok, good, now go away.

  8. Savage57

    Ranking QB’s is impossible, so I try to maintain perspective.

    Brady’s the one you want to take home to meet Mom and Dad.

    Rodgers is the one makes your mind wander, who you can’t wait to hook up with again.

  9. Tucson Packer,

    When football season is over, I watch my baseball and basketball teams play and mostly win. I spend time with family, spend time with friends, go to work (like I do during the season too), and spend time helping at a local food bank. That’s what I do when the Lions don’t play.

  10. PF4L,

    Your argument for Brady not being the best QB ever is based off of other players and coaches? My God, man. Brady is superior to Rodgers in almost every way. I’m not making this stuff up. The stats back me up. The wins back me. The championships back me up. You bring nothing of any substance. Again, I don’t believe that you watch any other teams outside of the Packers. If you want to back up your argument for Rodgers being the best with legitimate facts and arguments, please go ahead. No personal attacks or going at me for liking the Lions or making a spelling error in a post. Let’s put all bias aside. You take Rodgers and I take Brady. Let’s go.

    • PF4L

      Ok, i give up….

      Is this Dave the Patriots fan? Dave the Bronco’s fan? Dave the Packers fan? Dave the Seahawks fan?

    • PF4L

      Tell ya what sparky….you show me where i clearly said that …Brady wasn’t the best QB, and i’ll get on my knee’s and take in all of Mordecais 3 1/2 inches.

  11. PF4L

    But i’m sure you’ll ignore this as you can’t show me where where i said that.

    Kind of like Kato did 5 times when called out after he tried speaking for me.

    That’s working out well for him also.

      • PF4L

        Ok, well at least you owned it and responded, and i respect that.

        You didn’t ignore it, like a pussy. No offence Kato.

        As far as Brady, I won’t say anyone is the Goat. But i will say this, He did what he did, with less talent than Montana, Montana was surrounded by HOF’s, and a lot of Pro Bowlers.

        Now maybe if Rodgers was under Belichick, maybe he accomplishes what Brady has, idk. Brady has enjoyed the player acquisitions made by Belichick. Far different than what Rodgers and McCarthy have had to deal with under Thompson.

        Brady and Montana, Bradshaw clearly have accomplished more than Rodgers. But a lot of QB’s accomplished more than Marino. It takes a team, a whole team effort to win Super Bowls. That’s why i would never judge a QB just on SB wins.

        I don’t feel i’m qualified to say who the Goat is, I have mad respect for all those winning QB’s. But i have to respect the whole team when Super Bowls are won, not just the QB.

        The bottom line is that sometimes..you have to consider the organization as a whole when discussing teams that win a lot of Super Bowls. Because really, it’s the organization as a whole that wins Championships, not just the QB. While respecting the role and importance of the QB.

        • PF4L

          And just for the record, i don’t claim that Rodgers is the Goat, unless i do it tongue in cheek. I’ve always said, as you’ll see in my post about that subject, that Rodgers is in the conversation. Or i’ll say, one of the best, arguably, etc.

          Some of our Packer fans, think that Rodgers should be able to over come any and all organizational deficiencies and win us a Super Bowl. Example: If the defense gives up 44 points, Rodgers needs to score 45 points, and if he doesn’t, he’s failed and he’s not clutch. That’s not how Super Bowls are won.

          That’s how simple minded people think. No offence Kato.

          • PF4L

            One quick point……

            If the Packers got Favre, and there was never a Ron Wolf or Mike Holmgren, do the Packers win?

            No…because the Packers had a losing mindset as an organization before Wolf. The Packers won because Ron Wolf came in and flipped a losing organization, into a winning organization. Which had to be done, before any Super Bowls were won.

            And it just may need to happen again in the next 5 years.

  12. Jake

    I thought garbage day was on Tuesday? This is the most biased thing I’ve ever read. Tom Brady is the greatest. I cant stand the whole “Tom Brady is a system QB” argument from the Tom Brady truthers. Yes, his team is really good. But just look how the man comes through every time his team needs him the most. Heart of a lion. That can’t be measured in advanced metrics. Aaron Rodgers is really, really good. But as of now, he cannot hold a candle to Tom Brady

    • PF4L

      I think even Tom Brady would disagree with that.

      Now, if you said the Packers can’t hold a candle to the Patriots, i’d agree 100%.

  13. PF4L

    KATO
    02/15/2017 at 1:08 pm

    Dave, it is useless argue with PF4L. He loses and argument and tries to follow up with insults.

  14. Xlvordie

    Athleticism: Rodgers> Brady
    Accuracy : Rodgers >Brady
    Arm strength: Rodgers> Brady
    Ball security: Rodgers >Brady
    Awareness : Rodgers > Brady
    Play improvisation : Rodgers > Brady
    “It factor” Rodgers> brady

    Head coach: Belichick > Mccarthy
    Defense: Patriots> Packers
    Run game : patriots>Packers
    Also….GRONK

    Soooo….the only difference I see In comparison to promote Brady is Superbowls? Which are no doubt a product of the latter considerations.so where the fuck is the argument????????

    If any of the homos’ arguing FOR Brady think that even one factor above is wrong, Please elaborate.

    • Cody

      Tom Brady has 9 more playoff wins than ANYONE else in history. 2nd place is 16, Tom has 25! Here is a stat that should shed some light on Aaron Rodgers. He is tied for 111th All-Time for 4th quarter comebacks with 10. Tom Brady has 39 4th quarter comebacks and it never took a hail mary to do it. He was able to lead his team down 39 times to either get a field goal or a TD. Aaron had to resort to a prayer or Hail Mary. He had to resort to luck. Tom Brady is the winningest QB of all time, regular season and playoffs. He has the highest winning percentage of all time and so no one has LESS opportunities to comeback in the 4th quarter and yet when given the chance..he does at a higher rate than anyone. Aaron certainly has had plenty of opportunities to come back in the 4th quarter. It’s not like the Packers are winning 15 games a year. He is the best QB in the league while playing with a lead, however he is very average at best when playing from behind. Here is a list of guys who are currently playing and who have started for a less amount of time and still have more game winning drives than Aaron Rodgers does: Mark Sanchez, Matt Schaub….lol Matt Schaub, dude started like 4 years, Ryan Tanehill, Cam Newton, Derek Carr! He’s been playing for 3 years! Andy Dalton, Andrew Luck, Russel Wilson, Alex Smith…yup ALEX SMITH, JAY CUTLER lol, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford had 8 this year alone…etc. I think you see my point. Aaron is the GREATEST with a lead and ..maybe even BELOW average when playing from behind.

      More convincing, irrefutable proof that Tom is better:
      
Tom is 11 and 20 for a .355 winning percentage when his defense gives up 28 or more points in a game, which is good enough to lead ALL current NFL starters and I don’t know where that ranks ALL-TIME.

      However I do know Aaron’s record is 5 and 19 for a .208 winning percentage. Good enough for the middle of the league.

      Next: Tom Brady has a 46 and 40 record when his defense gives up more than 22 points in the regular season. The ONLY QB starting in the NFL today that has a winning record under those circumstances. 

Aaron’s? 21 and 25.

      Winning percentage in those situations? Tom – .534 Aaron -.456

      Record when their D gives up 21 points or less in the regular season:

      Tom is 126 and 11 with a .920 winning percentage, good enough for BEST ALL-TIME.

      Aaron? 59 and 14 .808 good enough for not even being in the top 10 for QB’s playing RIGHT NOW.

      Last one: Their PLAYOFF record when their Defense gives up 22 points or more:

      Tom is 7 and 6 in those situations and the only QB with more than 1 playoff start that has a winning record. Jay Cutler is 1 and 0. 538 winning percentage

      How about our buddy, the greatest athlete to be born, Aaron Rodgers? Aaron when his defense gives ups 22 points or more in a playoff game is 2 and 7.

      Winning percentages? Tom- .548, Aaron – .222

      As you can see whether the defense plays well or gives up a ton of points or whether its a playoff game or a regular season game Tom Brady has a higher winning percentage than Aaron in EVERY one of those situations. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. This obliterates the argument than if Aaron had Tom’s Defense than he would have just as many if not more rings. It obliterates if anyone had Tom’s situation they would be better than him b/c all current starters were tested in those same situations and Tom came out with the HIGHEST winning percentage in ALL of them. You can’t explain that with Tom has better defense or even that Tom has a better offense. The guy just won the Super Bowl with GRONK on the sideline and a bunch of players no one else even wanted. He did while the Patriots traded away arguable their 2 best defensive players from last year in Chandler Jones, and Jamie Collins. And he has won under similar circumstances for the LARGE majority of his career.

  15. Cody

    I love how clearly jealous this guy is of Tom Brady’s success. It’s seriously hilarious. “If Aaron Rodgers played a full season like he did the last 8 games bla bla bla.” What QB that he mentioned couldn’t say the exact same thing over a 8 game stretch of their career. All of them have had 8 game unbelievable stretched. It’s a dumb argument. Adrian Peterson ran for 175 yards a game for a 10 game stretch, imagine that over 16 games. Allow me to shut the argument over Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. First of all it’s ridiculous when you consider Tom’s longevity and his success in comparison to Aaron…b/c there is no comparison. So please take the time to read below if you have any open mind at all.

    Tom Brady has 9 more playoff wins than ANYONE else in history. 2nd place is 16, Tom has 25! Here is a stat that should shed some light on Aaron Rodgers. He is tied for 111th All-Time for 4th quarter comebacks with 10. Tom Brady has 39 4th quarter comebacks and it never took a hail mary to do it. He was able to lead his team down 39 times to either get a field goal or a TD. Aaron had to resort to a prayer or Hail Mary. He had to resort to luck. Tom Brady is the winningest QB of all time, regular season and playoffs. He has the highest winning percentage of all time and so no one has LESS opportunities to comeback in the 4th quarter and yet when given the chance..he does at a higher rate than anyone. Aaron certainly has had plenty of opportunities to come back in the 4th quarter. It’s not like the Packers are winning 15 games a year. He is the best QB in the league while playing with a lead, however he is very average at best when playing from behind. Here is a list of guys who are currently playing and who have started for a less amount of time and still have more game winning drives than Aaron Rodgers does: Mark Sanchez, Matt Schaub….lol Matt Schaub, dude started like 4 years, Ryan Tanehill, Cam Newton, Derek Carr! He’s been playing for 3 years! Andy Dalton, Andrew Luck, Russel Wilson, Alex Smith…yup ALEX SMITH, JAY CUTLER lol, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford had 8 this year alone…etc. I think you see my point. Aaron is the GREATEST with a lead and ..maybe even BELOW average when playing from behind.

    More convincing, irrefutable proof that Tom is better:
    
Tom is 11 and 20 for a .355 winning percentage when his defense gives up 28 or more points in a game, which is good enough to lead ALL current NFL starters and I don’t know where that ranks ALL-TIME.

    However I do know Aaron’s record is 5 and 19 for a .208 winning percentage. Good enough for the middle of the league.

    Next: Tom Brady has a 46 and 40 record when his defense gives up more than 22 points in the regular season. The ONLY QB starting in the NFL today that has a winning record under those circumstances. 

Aaron’s? 21 and 25.

    Winning percentage in those situations? Tom – .534 Aaron -.456

    Record when their D gives up 21 points or less in the regular season:

    Tom is 126 and 11 with a .920 winning percentage, good enough for BEST ALL-TIME.

    Aaron? 59 and 14 .808 good enough for not even being in the top 10 for QB’s playing RIGHT NOW.

    Last one: Their PLAYOFF record when their Defense gives up 22 points or more:

    Tom is 7 and 6 in those situations and the only QB with more than 1 playoff start that has a winning record. Jay Cutler is 1 and 0. 538 winning percentage

    How about our buddy, the greatest athlete to be born, Aaron Rodgers? Aaron when his defense gives ups 22 points or more in a playoff game is 2 and 7.

    Winning percentages? Tom- .548, Aaron – .222

    As you can see whether the defense plays well or gives up a ton of points or whether its a playoff game or a regular season game Tom Brady has a higher winning percentage than Aaron in EVERY one of those situations. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. This obliterates the argument than if Aaron had Tom’s Defense than he would have just as many if not more rings. It obliterates if anyone had Tom’s situation they would be better than him b/c all current starters were tested in those same situations and Tom came out with the HIGHEST winning percentage in ALL of them. You can’t explain that with Tom has better defense or even that Tom has a better offense. The guy just won the Super Bowl with GRONK on the sideline and a bunch of players no one else even wanted. He did while the Patriots traded away arguable their 2 best defensive players from last year in Chandler Jones, and Jamie Collins. And he has won under similar circumstances for the LARGE majority of his career.

  16. PF4L

    Cody…that’s a lot of writing for nobody willing to read it….seriously dude, you’re wasting your time writing novels, especially when you double down.

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