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		<title>By: mxz600</title>
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		<dc:creator>mxz600</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 06:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder what was said between TT and Capers goes after the game......Does TT pat Capers on the back and say good effort?&quot;....Does he say &quot;They played their hearts out?&quot;......&quot;They really battled out there?&quot;.............or, did they not talk at all?....That wouldnt surprise me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what was said between TT and Capers goes after the game&#8230;&#8230;Does TT pat Capers on the back and say good effort?&#8221;&#8230;.Does he say &#8220;They played their hearts out?&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;They really battled out there?&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.or, did they not talk at all?&#8230;.That wouldnt surprise me.</p>
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		<title>By: mxz600</title>
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		<dc:creator>mxz600</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 06:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lmao....I dont care about how anyone wants to slice it up.....Get rid of players who are afraid to tackle and their multimillion dollar contract...DON&#039;T keep players because they used to be good...Fix the GOD DAM 0 line TT!!!!.......And don&#039;t EVER. EVER....have another shit poor embarrasing defensive performance like the one we saw against the 9ers......I wouldnt have mind losing that game so much........IF i saw some fight and toughness in the defense...........middle of the field WIDE fuckin open for Kaepernick, all game long, because no one can keep their assignments....Because no one can get off blocks......if that means getting rid of Capers....so be it.....No one seems like they have to be accountable on this team]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lmao&#8230;.I dont care about how anyone wants to slice it up&#8230;..Get rid of players who are afraid to tackle and their multimillion dollar contract&#8230;DON&#8217;T keep players because they used to be good&#8230;Fix the GOD DAM 0 line TT!!!!&#8230;&#8230;.And don&#8217;t EVER. EVER&#8230;.have another shit poor embarrasing defensive performance like the one we saw against the 9ers&#8230;&#8230;I wouldnt have mind losing that game so much&#8230;&#8230;..IF i saw some fight and toughness in the defense&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..middle of the field WIDE fuckin open for Kaepernick, all game long, because no one can keep their assignments&#8230;.Because no one can get off blocks&#8230;&#8230;if that means getting rid of Capers&#8230;.so be it&#8230;..No one seems like they have to be accountable on this team</p>
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		<title>By: Iltarion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iltarion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Packers will have to eat Hawks 4.8 mill prorated signing bonus, but it will be spread out the next 3 years at 1.6 million each year, NOT go against the cap in 1 year as you post…….Then you say all they would save is 2.2 million, so it isnt worth it. Iltarion, if you did some research, you’d see the Packers, by cutting Hawk, would save (sit down for this) 17.1 million in salary and roster bonus’s over the next 3 years.”
That’s all that needs to be said about you. That’s it.&quot;

Ah... except that shit is WRONG, as already pointed out by GBslacker. If the Packers cut Hawk before June 1st, the entire $4.8 million counts against the 2013 salary cap. If they cut him after June 1, then $1.6 counts against 2013 and $3.2 counts against 2014. Either way, it is a $4.8 mil hit in order to NOT pay Hawk $7 mil this year. Lets try basic math 7-4.8 = 2.2. It really isn&#039;t that complicated.

As I already said, you can&#039;t count Hawk&#039;s entire contract as savings. None of that money is guaranteed and much of it is likely to never be paid to him. You can only count as savings the money you save THAT year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Packers will have to eat Hawks 4.8 mill prorated signing bonus, but it will be spread out the next 3 years at 1.6 million each year, NOT go against the cap in 1 year as you post…….Then you say all they would save is 2.2 million, so it isnt worth it. Iltarion, if you did some research, you’d see the Packers, by cutting Hawk, would save (sit down for this) 17.1 million in salary and roster bonus’s over the next 3 years.”<br />
That’s all that needs to be said about you. That’s it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah&#8230; except that shit is WRONG, as already pointed out by GBslacker. If the Packers cut Hawk before June 1st, the entire $4.8 million counts against the 2013 salary cap. If they cut him after June 1, then $1.6 counts against 2013 and $3.2 counts against 2014. Either way, it is a $4.8 mil hit in order to NOT pay Hawk $7 mil this year. Lets try basic math 7-4.8 = 2.2. It really isn&#8217;t that complicated.</p>
<p>As I already said, you can&#8217;t count Hawk&#8217;s entire contract as savings. None of that money is guaranteed and much of it is likely to never be paid to him. You can only count as savings the money you save THAT year.</p>
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		<title>By: Iltarion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iltarion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go post, VJ. I don&#039;t see anyway that the Bears let Henry Melton go though, unless someone offers him something insane, which we won&#039;t. 

With Mike Daniels and Jerel Worthy waiting in the wings, I don&#039;t see us making a move there.

My theory is that PackAttack is either two people or a schizo. He had about a 2 month stretch there when he was actually being a solid contributor to the conversation. Now he is back to blathering nonsense like LT after an 8 ball. 

As Rebel properly noted, he also has an odd fixation to my every word. He is like an iltarion clone on crack.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go post, VJ. I don&#8217;t see anyway that the Bears let Henry Melton go though, unless someone offers him something insane, which we won&#8217;t. </p>
<p>With Mike Daniels and Jerel Worthy waiting in the wings, I don&#8217;t see us making a move there.</p>
<p>My theory is that PackAttack is either two people or a schizo. He had about a 2 month stretch there when he was actually being a solid contributor to the conversation. Now he is back to blathering nonsense like LT after an 8 ball. </p>
<p>As Rebel properly noted, he also has an odd fixation to my every word. He is like an iltarion clone on crack.</p>
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		<title>By: Vijay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vijay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slideshow! Awesome tech Monty. I think Charles is back at a reduced salary cap rate which still pays him his contract but extends it by another year after he hangs it up (spreads cost). 

With the money we save from letting these guys go, we may have about 7 Million in cap space from what I read elsewhere. If that&#039;s the case, it would be enough to pay our upcoming picks + maybe grab a guy from another team to add depth to our D Line. 

Here are a couple of names I like in Free Agency who should be versatile enough, based on body type, to fit our scheme. 

Ricky Jean-Francois (Justin Smith&#039;s backup) http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12443/ricky-jean-francois

Henry Melton (yes, a former Bear) http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12695/henry-melton

Terrance Knighton (lost his starting job and has some &quot;issues&quot; but still talented and might be cheapest option)
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12677/terrance-knighton]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slideshow! Awesome tech Monty. I think Charles is back at a reduced salary cap rate which still pays him his contract but extends it by another year after he hangs it up (spreads cost). </p>
<p>With the money we save from letting these guys go, we may have about 7 Million in cap space from what I read elsewhere. If that&#8217;s the case, it would be enough to pay our upcoming picks + maybe grab a guy from another team to add depth to our D Line. </p>
<p>Here are a couple of names I like in Free Agency who should be versatile enough, based on body type, to fit our scheme. </p>
<p>Ricky Jean-Francois (Justin Smith&#8217;s backup) <a href="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12443/ricky-jean-francois" rel="nofollow">http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12443/ricky-jean-francois</a></p>
<p>Henry Melton (yes, a former Bear) <a href="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12695/henry-melton" rel="nofollow">http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12695/henry-melton</a></p>
<p>Terrance Knighton (lost his starting job and has some &#8220;issues&#8221; but still talented and might be cheapest option)<br />
<a href="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12677/terrance-knighton" rel="nofollow">http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12677/terrance-knighton</a></p>
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		<title>By: PackAttack</title>
		<link>http://www.totalpackers.com/2013/01/22/these-guys-may-have-played-their-last-game-with-packers/#comment-129141</link>
		<dc:creator>PackAttack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talk about intelligence of the highest caliber. Sexual attraction to message board posts? Do you got some issues that need to be worked out or what? Go out and get laid or something dude. In two posts you didn&#039;t manage one single coherent sentence or thought you just bitched, complained and managed to lay out three sexual innuendo remarks and proved your stupidity by thinking anything Illitraion posts can be regarded as intelligence. 

Furthermore, while Tramon might have underperformed this year -- I&#039;m not so sure I would say he&#039;s a piece of shit. I&#039;d say the real piece of shit is the guy with issues sitting behind his computer screen bitching and whining about sexual attractions and calling out people for being gay instead of making an actual point. Tramon is wiping his ass with money right now while your sitting in your parents basement talking about homosexuals on message boards -- I&#039;d say that makes you the real piece of shit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about intelligence of the highest caliber. Sexual attraction to message board posts? Do you got some issues that need to be worked out or what? Go out and get laid or something dude. In two posts you didn&#8217;t manage one single coherent sentence or thought you just bitched, complained and managed to lay out three sexual innuendo remarks and proved your stupidity by thinking anything Illitraion posts can be regarded as intelligence. </p>
<p>Furthermore, while Tramon might have underperformed this year &#8212; I&#8217;m not so sure I would say he&#8217;s a piece of shit. I&#8217;d say the real piece of shit is the guy with issues sitting behind his computer screen bitching and whining about sexual attractions and calling out people for being gay instead of making an actual point. Tramon is wiping his ass with money right now while your sitting in your parents basement talking about homosexuals on message boards &#8212; I&#8217;d say that makes you the real piece of shit.</p>
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		<title>By: rebelgb</title>
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		<dc:creator>rebelgb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and:

Tramon dont let the fucking door hit you on the way out you piece of shit.

Its not JUST about talent, Tramon obviously had personal issues this season and was a detriment to the entire team, he needs to take that shit down the road....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and:</p>
<p>Tramon dont let the fucking door hit you on the way out you piece of shit.</p>
<p>Its not JUST about talent, Tramon obviously had personal issues this season and was a detriment to the entire team, he needs to take that shit down the road&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: rebelgb</title>
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		<dc:creator>rebelgb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PackAttack please take your 12 year old gay ass to another website. You obviously have a sexual attraction to Itarion judging by your constant preoccupation with him and his posts.   The funny thing is that while Itarion often has intelligent, legitimate things to say, you on the other hand know as much about football as I do about quantum physics... Your a fucking retard of the greatest order.  

Please do us all a favor and Log Off Life.   Thanks...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PackAttack please take your 12 year old gay ass to another website. You obviously have a sexual attraction to Itarion judging by your constant preoccupation with him and his posts.   The funny thing is that while Itarion often has intelligent, legitimate things to say, you on the other hand know as much about football as I do about quantum physics&#8230; Your a fucking retard of the greatest order.  </p>
<p>Please do us all a favor and Log Off Life.   Thanks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GBslacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>GBslacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s some more food-for-thought, regarding the GB salary cap(*)...
...Once a player&#039;s yearly salary is roughly equal to his accelerated cap hit, IMO he&#039;s disposable.

Pay the guy: be out the money.
Dump the guy: be out the same amount of money.

I&#039;m thinking it&#039;s better to dump him BEFORE June 1st, so the poison-pill can be absorbed in one season -- instead of having it linger to the following season.  This will help clean up the salary situation when contracts for Raji, Matthews, and others come due.

The same goes for Tramon: dump him.  At 29, both Hawk and Tramon won&#039;t be playing better in the future, likely as mediocre as they play today.  Additionally, as players go deeper into their contract, the more money they&#039;re paid and the more injury-prone they become.  Can&#039;t play the game with &quot;Woodsons&quot; on the sideline; can&#039;t field a competitive team with &quot;Woodson&quot; money tied up in injured players.

---------------------------

(*) don&#039;t know if this info is valid, but it&#039;s likely close:
http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-team-cap-space-6/

While GB is not in the red, they&#039;re fairly close -- far from the situation in IND, MIA, or TB.  Of course, at this time of the year, there&#039;s &quot;bizarro&quot; money on the line -- in terms of off-season bonuses, etc that teams know they have to re-work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some more food-for-thought, regarding the GB salary cap(*)&#8230;<br />
&#8230;Once a player&#8217;s yearly salary is roughly equal to his accelerated cap hit, IMO he&#8217;s disposable.</p>
<p>Pay the guy: be out the money.<br />
Dump the guy: be out the same amount of money.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking it&#8217;s better to dump him BEFORE June 1st, so the poison-pill can be absorbed in one season &#8212; instead of having it linger to the following season.  This will help clean up the salary situation when contracts for Raji, Matthews, and others come due.</p>
<p>The same goes for Tramon: dump him.  At 29, both Hawk and Tramon won&#8217;t be playing better in the future, likely as mediocre as they play today.  Additionally, as players go deeper into their contract, the more money they&#8217;re paid and the more injury-prone they become.  Can&#8217;t play the game with &#8220;Woodsons&#8221; on the sideline; can&#8217;t field a competitive team with &#8220;Woodson&#8221; money tied up in injured players.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>(*) don&#8217;t know if this info is valid, but it&#8217;s likely close:<br />
<a href="http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-team-cap-space-6/" rel="nofollow">http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-team-cap-space-6/</a></p>
<p>While GB is not in the red, they&#8217;re fairly close &#8212; far from the situation in IND, MIA, or TB.  Of course, at this time of the year, there&#8217;s &#8220;bizarro&#8221; money on the line &#8212; in terms of off-season bonuses, etc that teams know they have to re-work.</p>
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		<title>By: PackAttack</title>
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		<dc:creator>PackAttack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now your fine with Hawk getting the boot after you&#039;ve clearly advocated for him time and time again? Come on man. Is he dependable or not? Stick to one opinion but don&#039;t change your stance because everyone on this board thinks your a looney tune for being the only one standing by Hawk. 

&quot;Iltarion….I gotta admit, you make me laugh….Yes, The Packers will have to eat Hawks 4.8 mill prorated signing bonus, but it will be spread out the next 3 years at 1.6 million each year, NOT go against the cap in 1 year as you post…….Then you say all they would save is 2.2 million, so it isnt worth it. Iltarion, if you did some research, you’d see the Packers, by cutting Hawk, would save (sit down for this) 17.1 million in salary and roster bonus’s over the next 3 years.&quot; 

That&#039;s all that needs to be said about you. That&#039;s it. Your done. You have no rebuttal for that. Call it a day and have a coke and smile and we&#039;ll be seeing ya Illitarion. 

Who the fuck is AJ Smith? You mean DJ Smith. The guy who outplayed Hawk in training camp and pre-season? And Bishop one of the more well established LB&#039;s the past few years? Okay they&#039;re coming off season-ending injuries -- so what? So was Woodson a few years ago, so was Finley in 2010, WHO THE FUCK HASN&#039;T BEEN ON IR ON THIS TEAM!? Who cares. Hawk sucks. Move on. He&#039;s fat, he&#039;s slow, he&#039;s old, he&#039;s ugly, he&#039;s shitty. See ya. Fly away Hawk.

Cut: Tramon, Hawk, Crosby, Woodson, Driver -- save all the money you can.

Sign: OT, bring in Jake Long and draft a center Barrett Jones or Travis Frederick. I&#039;d attempt to re-sign Jennings but whatever if you can&#039;t get him target Terrance Williams. 

DT/DE - You need someone here to step in and create some kind of a pass-rushing presence, I feel this is one of the biggest areas of need. Pickett is old, flow and shitty. 

DB - With Woodson and Tramon leaving (possibly) you need to re-establish some depth back here and it&#039;d be nice to dip into free agency to do. I don&#039;t see the draft being able to solve this problem. 

#1 - THE RUN GAME - Apparently no defensive coordinator in the NFL was scared at Mike McCarthy&#039;s pathetic attempts to run the football 430+ times this season, a margin which couldn&#039;t even net him 4.0 yards per/carry, instead they welcomed McCarthy to do so instead of letting the league MVP throw to one of his 5 legit WR&#039;s. I&#039;m sorry but DuJuan Harris, James Starks, Benson, Grant and whoever else aren&#039;t going to keep safeties from playing 25 yards deep vs. GB. An established dual threat RB will. This is the one area McCarthy needs to strike gold with if he hopes to contend in 2013. Since McCarthy has switched over to his 50/50 run 430 times pass later approach, the Pack are going to need a &quot;feature back&quot; to carry that load. 

Illitarion you suck]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now your fine with Hawk getting the boot after you&#8217;ve clearly advocated for him time and time again? Come on man. Is he dependable or not? Stick to one opinion but don&#8217;t change your stance because everyone on this board thinks your a looney tune for being the only one standing by Hawk. </p>
<p>&#8220;Iltarion….I gotta admit, you make me laugh….Yes, The Packers will have to eat Hawks 4.8 mill prorated signing bonus, but it will be spread out the next 3 years at 1.6 million each year, NOT go against the cap in 1 year as you post…….Then you say all they would save is 2.2 million, so it isnt worth it. Iltarion, if you did some research, you’d see the Packers, by cutting Hawk, would save (sit down for this) 17.1 million in salary and roster bonus’s over the next 3 years.&#8221; </p>
<p>That&#8217;s all that needs to be said about you. That&#8217;s it. Your done. You have no rebuttal for that. Call it a day and have a coke and smile and we&#8217;ll be seeing ya Illitarion. </p>
<p>Who the fuck is AJ Smith? You mean DJ Smith. The guy who outplayed Hawk in training camp and pre-season? And Bishop one of the more well established LB&#8217;s the past few years? Okay they&#8217;re coming off season-ending injuries &#8212; so what? So was Woodson a few years ago, so was Finley in 2010, WHO THE FUCK HASN&#8217;T BEEN ON IR ON THIS TEAM!? Who cares. Hawk sucks. Move on. He&#8217;s fat, he&#8217;s slow, he&#8217;s old, he&#8217;s ugly, he&#8217;s shitty. See ya. Fly away Hawk.</p>
<p>Cut: Tramon, Hawk, Crosby, Woodson, Driver &#8212; save all the money you can.</p>
<p>Sign: OT, bring in Jake Long and draft a center Barrett Jones or Travis Frederick. I&#8217;d attempt to re-sign Jennings but whatever if you can&#8217;t get him target Terrance Williams. </p>
<p>DT/DE &#8211; You need someone here to step in and create some kind of a pass-rushing presence, I feel this is one of the biggest areas of need. Pickett is old, flow and shitty. </p>
<p>DB &#8211; With Woodson and Tramon leaving (possibly) you need to re-establish some depth back here and it&#8217;d be nice to dip into free agency to do. I don&#8217;t see the draft being able to solve this problem. </p>
<p>#1 &#8211; THE RUN GAME &#8211; Apparently no defensive coordinator in the NFL was scared at Mike McCarthy&#8217;s pathetic attempts to run the football 430+ times this season, a margin which couldn&#8217;t even net him 4.0 yards per/carry, instead they welcomed McCarthy to do so instead of letting the league MVP throw to one of his 5 legit WR&#8217;s. I&#8217;m sorry but DuJuan Harris, James Starks, Benson, Grant and whoever else aren&#8217;t going to keep safeties from playing 25 yards deep vs. GB. An established dual threat RB will. This is the one area McCarthy needs to strike gold with if he hopes to contend in 2013. Since McCarthy has switched over to his 50/50 run 430 times pass later approach, the Pack are going to need a &#8220;feature back&#8221; to carry that load. </p>
<p>Illitarion you suck</p>
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