Comments on: Woodson Supports Wisconsin Workers

By: Tamara Johnson

Tamara Johnson — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 00:26:16 +0000

Calling people names is the lowest form of critical thinking. Empathizing with those not like yourself is the highest form of critical thinking.

Thank-you Mr. Woodson for not only being my favorite Packer, but also for being a very smart man.

By: doesnt matter

doesnt matter — Sat, 26 Feb 2011 23:35:05 +0000

I agree, But in actuality you could be the best teacher in the state, and have a room full of kids that don’t want to learn, and don’t care to learn. There by “making the teacher look bad” Or you could have a mediocre teacher and a class of kids thirsting for knowledge and be perceived as a “great awe inspiring teacher”. As I stated in my earlier post, it is very hard to decipher a teacher’s performance. And yes there “great teachers” “decent teachers” and “piss poor could give a fuck less teachers”, the latter should not exist, but unfortunately they do.

By: doesnt matter

doesnt matter — Sat, 26 Feb 2011 23:29:43 +0000

Here you go average salary. For those too lazy to check or before they spout off.
http://dpi.state.wi.us/lbstat/xls/tasr10.xls

http://dpi.state.wi.us/lbstat/newasr.html

If you include “administrative” salaries it does escalate the average. But unfortunately we are talking ONLY THE TEACHERS.

By: Randy R

Randy R — Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:15:03 +0000

Thats the only profession i know where you dont have to be accountable for your performance, that and Shawn Slocum’s inept job performance

By: Randy R

Randy R — Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:13:11 +0000

Average teacher in Wiscon makes 35k a year?, You have to be kidding me, I know a great # of teachers, and they all far exceed that amount, where does that average come from? I’m thinking they must include substitute part time teachers in that average. They have great pensions and INS, summers off, and almost CANT get fired….boo hoo

By: Joe Daddy's Daddy

Joe Daddy's Daddy — Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:27:16 +0000

I think Boston is referring to total compensation in #3. Salary, pension, health insurance, other misc. benefits. I have seen these numbers in the last few weeks. I wouldn’t call it absurd but more than fair would be very accurate.

By: Flyboy

Flyboy — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:50:24 +0000

For the sake of all taxpayers in WI, I hope Gov. Walker does not cave. Union leadership = Socialists.

By: doesnt matter

doesnt matter — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:49:52 +0000

Boston, towards your 3rd point, if a CBA is handled correctly it would not bankrupt the company nor attempt to. The only CBA I was part of was when I worked at Amron LLC we just wanted competitive wages, and get paid appropriately for the type of work we were doing How that’s a “bad thing” I don’t think it is (obviously). And no, not everyone can work for a certain company that pays more, there are hundreds of people applying for work in companies that offer lower wages compared to the average pay for the same type of work. It is impossible for everyone at company A to say “hey company B pays more lets ALL quit and work there” that doesn’t happen. The companies that pay substandard wages will always be around because there’s always someone willing to work there.

On your fourth point the ages have not been stagnant for 40 years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_income … as you can see from the graph yes Median income has ebbed and flowed for the past 40 years but has definitely trended upwards looking at the big picture. I and a lot of my friends can’t pay bills and put food on their table with PPP and GDP, but we can when average pay goes up with the price of living. Also I am glad you admitted you don’t care about being fair, but I congratulate you for being able to not to have to worry about the small things like a lot of Americans have too. Like the ever escalating cost of food, fuel, heating oil, rent, or cost of housing.

By: doesnt matter

doesnt matter — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:26:38 +0000

Thank you for the link, it was very insightful, unfortunately I need to head to work, and again thank you for the debate and thank you for keeping it more civil than my previous posts as I admittedly posted “in the heat of the moment” lol if i get time at work I’ll sing in and make an attempt at a rebuttal

By: doesnt matter

doesnt matter — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:16:19 +0000

Again I have to agree with your first point. You literally have to have sex with a student to get fired.
2. Are you taking into account the work they take home with them most of the time? Grading papers, setting up and constructing of the next class assignments? Granted some of this is handled at school but definitely not all of it
3. My friend’s wife has been a teacher for 16 years and makes 42k a year and that’s working on a reservation with Potawatomie’s
4. I wouldn’t go as far as calling it “absurd”… paid adequately given what they are doing for a living? Yes! Again I feel a teacher should be paid a very good salary because they hold a lot of futures in their hands.
Again back to your first point, without any threat of losing their job a lot of teachers probably don’t care to excel at what they do because they have very high job security and not much incentive to strive to be the best because: it’s hard to grade a teachers performance with a given class room, so comparing inner city teachers and teachers that work with smaller class sizes, is not a feasible way to determine the type of work each teacher does throughout the state or the country for that matter. So it’s hard to structure a pay scale by the type of performance their respective students have. Both the teachers I know get a raise every time they spend a summer going school and attending a ton of seminars. Again, if I am missing something please point it out, or if you disagree please voice your opinion or facts. Thanx again for the debates