It looks like the last post to this is dated, so to be honest I am responding to something dated. My bias is that I am a Packer fan, and will always be. What I would like to say is more of an opinion, but my credIbility is I have played the game for 12+ years via pop Warner through college.

There is really not a reason to give a lot of specifics besides Favre gave Green Bay a lot of memories. When he went elsewhere it was not his decision, but rather a management decision which has turned out to be a great investment. It’s business, Favre wanted to come back so why as fans should we be negative towards him? He wanted to play. The big thing is as Packer fans we need to stand up and give Favre respect for what he has done for the organization, as he deserves it. I want to make sure when his number is retired fans will cheer loud, and give him a Hall of Fame respectful close. If anyone does something different they probably have never played the game which shows disrespect. Basically Favre is a legend Packer, and he should go down as one of the best for the NFL.

Thanks For Reading,

Fan/Nfl Fan

He was given everything….Favre had SHIT to work with in Green Bay for years..and that includes the FANS…

I hate the fucking Packers for what they did to Favre, and I loved the Packers since the ’60s…long before Favre was around..

They are a CLASSLESS organization…

People need to realize this once and for all. The Franchise owes where it is to BOB HARLAN if it owes it to anybody. I realize it’s not as sexy as Favre but it’s the truth. Wolf was offered the GM job in 1987, but the Packers were essentially too unattractive. Harlan, in two years after taking over the presidency in 1989, changed all that. And without Wolf we don’t get Holmgren or Favre.

And Wolf and Holmgren could identify talent and shape it. Brunell and Hasselbeck came through the franchise as well. Favre was one of a few who could have gotten us at least one Super Bowl in sixteen years. But NONE of this happens without Harlan changing the philosophy of the franchise at the top.

It stands that Favre burned his Packers legacy, no one took it from him, and if wants to capitalize on his legacy HE needs to make the first move and do it in as public a way as he did with his side of the “divorce”. If Favre has no interest in being accepted back into the family, and chooses to stay down in Mississippi as a retiree, more power to him and to the franchise. But if the assumption is he wants back in, then he needs to display some contrition for his behavior. He was nearly fully in the wrong.

The Packers owe him nothing, contrary to populist belief (I use populist on purpose). Favre owes the majority of who he is in the NFL to the Packers. Favre had very good inate talents and physique, the talent was barely NFL caliber without the assistance of others (namely Holmgren) and the physique he supplied and it stood him in good stead. But it was the Packers who retrieved him from obscurity off Atlanta’s third string, it was the Packers who tolerated his inability to progress having a robust 78 QB rating and should have been benched for Brunell (his third chance), and, fourthly, stuck by him even as he repaid the previous chances with a raging vicodin addiction.

And so with a team in ’96 filled abundantly with talent, assembled by Ron Wolf (and an assistant Ted Thompson to some degree) the PACKERS won a Super Bowl, and the NFL and the bar stool dwellers sought to make a Legend out of Favre and all the negatives were stripped from the narrative. And BRETT FAVRE, SUPER QB was born. And it was never given a rest. By the time Holmgren and White moved on the ledger between the Pack and Favre was at the very least EVEN and volume I of the Packer-Favre story came to a reasonably satisfying close.

After the one year Rhodes debacle, volume II opened up, and while the Packers weren’t great, they had some good to very good teams. But Favre didn’t want to put the work in to be excellent. And Sherman let it slide. And Favre got used to the preferential treatments. And the Packers slid inexorably downward. And Ted Thompson was recalled from being Holmgren’s right hand personnel guy and the Packer fortunes returned. But not Brett’s way. His blue-print revolved around turning the Packers into the 1986 Dolphins for the last “big push” HE was owed.

And this is the watershed. The Packers OWED him NOTHING. This is something he just couldn’t process. He had had a decade plus of press clippings which PROVED he was BRETT FAVRE, SUPER QB even though the actual outputs were, while at times very good in low pressure situations, not anywhere near worthy of the “if he goes, I go” and “trade me” comments. FAVRE OWED THE PACKERS, not the other way around, and if the toll was too high, then he needed to move on. But he didn’t want his legacy ruined and he wanted to send the Packers a message that HE WAS OWED consideration. They begged to differ and they moved on. This caught Favre off guard as he fully expected the “beg and plead” treatment which wasn’t forthcoming. This, coupled with Favre’s own statment that the rupture with the team occured when Thompson drafted two QB’s and “closed the door on me”.

So the long and the short of it was Favre miscalculated his own worth. He resented that he wasn’t held to the same standard in others’ eyes so he decided to play games and “retire” which wasn’t any such thing. He then set about trashing the organization through family and friends and then through the media, endeavoring to get his way to the Vikings to purposefully “stick it” to his team (this he has said as well, the “sticking it” part anyway). He set about this course fairly early on, probably just after the “door was closed on him” while he was in “retirement”. If there was anything clandestine on the Packer side of the fence, I think they were simply tired of the waffling from a guy who didn’t display the effort necessary to be elite and who was throwing too many tantrums for what he was actually bringing to the table. And this bore fruit while Favre was with the Vikings as he did what he had been doing for a decade with the Packers – playing fine football in the regular season to only have it rest on his making sound decisions. Not having worked hard enough to be an elite decision maker, he failed.

With that said, Brett and his Packer teams could have won 1-3 more S B’s. why didnt they?..(2001) NFC Champ. Game..6 picks, yes I said 6, hard to win. Eagles(2004) Threw pick late in game to give eagles the ball, thus creating the famed 4th and 26. Packers out of playoffs.

2007 NfC Chanp. Game, last pass of the game, Yes, an interception, no S B appearence.

2008 NFC CHAMP Game(Jets), last pick of the game, yep, you guessed it, interception, no S B appearence.

2009 NFC Champ. Game.(Vikes) Score tied, 12 seconds too go, yep, you guessed it, interception, No S B appearence.

Point being, he was a choker, and he was careless in his career about chucking up passes to (whoever catches it).

These facts are undisputable. Brett fave isnt going to the H O F based on 1 S B win and his Playoff record. He’s going to the H O F based on his longevity and Passing yards, not because he was a winner. The hard truth be told, in his total body of work, he was a loser. But he lasted, he was tough. He was exciting to watch (good or bad). As far as Passing skills, he was careless, and Aaron has some more years he has to keep doing what he’s doing, but so far, Brett cant touch Aaron on passing skills alone, Aaron is one of the most pin point accurate passers ive had the pleasure to watch…OUT

I could’ve used all caps but I choose not to annoy everyone else who posts. I ain’t mad at cha (not that you give a shit or I would if you we’re at me)…I just think your view point sucks male asspipe!

Peace to you as well!

Quoting “DJ” below:

“This whole argument is pretty useless because the reality is that both sides are right … But do we still owe Farve his due for being the centerpiece for 15 seasons of winning including one World Championship, two Super Bowl trips, four NFC championship games, and 8 division titles?
Hell Yes we do.
Obviously, it was a bitter split but even all that drama dont erase what happened on the field….and when you consider his entire body of work in GB….atleast for me…its easier now to turn the other cheek. Rodgers is my guy, for sure.
But I havent forgotten that #4 used to be.
And if Lombardi can be immortalized as a Packer when he died a Redskin….then I dont see why #4 shouldnt be either.
I hope we sign him and he retires a Packer.

Also re: your comments:
Joe Daddy is a fuckwad Farve apologist who should remain a faithful Vikings fan like you knew you were.
FIRST OFF YOU AIN’T MY DADDY PUNK!
NEXT, THATS ALL “DRIBBLE”, JUST ASK LUMPY!
FURTHER, UR THE “FUCKWAD”!

People who cheer for players are like people who have 2 favorite teams (unless you have a relative or friend who actually played in the NFL)
SEE DJ’S RESPONSE BELOW, YOU CAN’T DICTATE WHO ANYONE CHOOSES TO CHEER FOR! AND THEN YOU CLAFIY IT….PRICELESS!

…fucking idiots who pretend to know someting! U MEAN LIKE U….TELL ME WHAT THE HELL DO YOU KNOW?

I don’t want/need your congratulations to TT/MM.
I COULD CARE LESS WHAT U WANT! OR NEED! I/WE CAN CONGRATULATE WHOMEVER WE CHOOSE TOO….

You jumped off when your boy who could do no wrong left the station.
HE WAS YOUR “BOY” TOO ONCE UPON A TIME FOOL!

I can’t wait when we say BF was the guy who played in-betwen Bart and ARoge.
GOOD, MANY FEEL THAT WAY TOO.
SO LEAVE IT AT THAT…

Sorry I loved BF as much as the next guy
THEN SHUT THE HELL UP, AND LEAVE IT AT THAT…..IF AT ONE TIME YOU DID, THEN YOU DID “LOVE” HIM…….AT ONE TIME

but he was an egomainiac in crunch time ala throwing a pick 6 to Tracy Porter in his last meaningful game.
HEY…..HE WAS OUT THERE GIVING IT HIS ALL…DON’T BELIEVE ALL THE “HATERS”,
THIS WAS THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME….AS A TEAM THEY GOT THERE…
2009 WAS AN INCREDIBLE SEASON FOR A 40 YR. MAN! COULD “YOU” HAVE DONE ANY BETTER??

On a side note- who really gives a shit if those two talk…when I was 27 I certainly wouldn’t talk to an old fuck 41 year old man either….I sound Like an echo?
HERE’S UR ECHO….PUNK!
“Sorry I loved BF as much as the next guy”…
DUDE….AT 41 PLAYING IN THE NFL…..YOU’VE NEVER PLAYED…..EXCEPT W/……..HAH…

“peace/out”